Glenn Medeiros

Why wasn't he a bigger star? He had the looks and swagger. More talented than the boys from NKOTB if you ask me.

Maybe he didn't present hole.

My own $.02, his music was rather bland, generic pop. Cute and talented, yes, but if you record forgettable songs, you're not going to last.

[quote] He had the looks

The looks of what -- inbreeding?

Talent doesn't necessarily mean success. Many very talented singers and musicians never broke it big or just one one or two big to medium hits and then never heard from. It's a combination of talent, promotion, timing and luck.

R6 Youth is fleeting 😢

Looks like Jon Lovitz now but was gorgeous during his prime.

Should have changed his last name.

And it didn’t help that he stole his big hit from George Benson

He's now some headmaster at a private school in Hawaii. It looks like he devoted his time to his education.

He lucked out big time with "She Ain't Worth It" in 1990. Bobby Brown was still white hot in 1990 and helped get the song to number one.

R11 He’s fat and not hot anymore and has an annoying pageant bot daughter.

[Quote] "You hear things about the #MeToo movement and that was such the norm when I was in the music industry," {Glenn} told the podcast Celebrity Catch Up: Life After That Thing I Did.

[Quote] Speaking to podcast host Genevieve Hassan, he recalled going to the house of one successful male songwriter, who told him he was better than the artists whose gold discs he had on the wall.

[Quote] "And then he says, 'I need to get something', goes back to another room, comes back in a robe," recalled Medeiros, who was 18 at the time.

"You kind of knew what the next moves were going to be, so I just remember saying, 'Oh my God I forgot I have an appointment, I have to be going', and I made the choice."

David Foster?

[Quote] "You hear things about the #MeToo movement and that was such the norm when I was in the music industry," {Glenn} told the podcast Celebrity Catch Up: Life After That Thing I Did.

[Quote] Speaking to podcast host Genevieve Hassan, he recalled going to the house of one successful male songwriter, who told him he was better than the artists whose gold discs he had on the wall.

[Quote] "And then he says, 'I need to get something', goes back to another room, comes back in a robe," recalled Medeiros, who was 18 at the time.

[Quote] "You kind of knew what the next moves were going to be, so I just remember saying, 'Oh my God I forgot I have an appointment, I have to be going', and I made the choice."

David Foster?

I think he is a lowly real estate agent now,

No. He works in the school system in Hawaii.

I’m more shocked he was asked to be on a podcast dedicated to “celebrities”

Love this song duet with Bobby Brown

A lot of it really is luck. He would have fit in as a member of NKOTB and rode their wave of success. But even NKOTB didn't exactly last forever. Being in the music industry means that you're largely at the mercy of forces outside of your control.

He and Jordan Knight look alike. Present-day teen idol Shawn Mendes kind of looks like both of them.

I actually think if Glenn was in NKOTB and Jordan Knight was a solo act instead then Jordan would have been bigger because he could also dance and thus serve as a competition for Bobby Brown and Michael Jackson.

He had no sexual energy whatsoever.

Yeah, teen idols have to be non-threatening. I don't think MJ had any sexual energy either though . Madonna and Prince were the ones who really brought the sexiness.

Looks like R2 wasn't too far off from the truth.

This video is dubbed but you can still hear him speak. He seemed so naive and innocent at the start of his career. This is why I didn't automatically assume Archie was gay as most people did. However, unlike Archie, he reformed his image in the 90's.

MJ had sexual energy when performing. He only seemed like a eunuch in interviews.

He admitted he didn't sleep for his success.

[quote] Medeiros, who found fame with Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You in 1988, said he turned down "many offers" for sexual relationships but others agreed.

He spits some facts here but we all knew it:

[quote] "To me between all of those things - the drugs, the pimping out of artists and also the sexual relations that were happening - it was the music industry that I saw."

[quote]He said: "I had friends who specifically said, 'I am going to be moving in with this person because this person is going to be helping me with my recording career.'

Lack of pronouns must mean they were all males.

Funny enough, I do think Glenn let some bigwigs suck him off. Even talented people have to do it. Even vocal powerhouse, Rick Astley lived with Pete Waterman in his apartment as a "tea boy"

[quote]In 2014, Medeiros received a doctorate degree in Educational Leadership from the University of Southern California.

That's DOCTOR Medeiros to you, bitches!

[quote]Medeiros is of Portuguese ancestry. He and his wife, Tammy, have been married since 1996 They have a son, Chord, and a daughter, Lyric.

Barf.

[quote] They have a son, Chord, and a daughter, Lyric.

Were they in the Glee club?

His career is interesting. He starts out as a 16 year old singing adult contemporary ballads then tries to go new jack swing and tries to be either the white Bobby Brown or male Paula Abdul. Then his career fizzled out.

This is what Shawn Mendes' future will look like.

Doubtful. Shawn Mendes is thirsty AF. He will likely stay in showbiz. I can see Mendes as a Rex Smith type in the future.

CHEESEBALL music. But lots of cheeseballs with no musical taste become stars so I've got no explanation.

Shawn Mendes was lucky to get famous off of social media. He will die on social media. The pre-2000s teen pop acts had their run and faded into obscurity. Some even got jobs in other fields like education, science or law.

There's always money on the nostalgia circuit. It has been ever thus.

Another pop/NJS act that found success in the wake of Janet’s Control. He was cute. I used to stare at his crotch/taint/butt area on this album cover.

R40 But his first two albums were corny inspirational Whitney/Michael Bolton type ballads. He hopped on the new jack swing sound later probably because he realized he had to expand his audience beyond older women and suburban Christian girls.

Did he attempt an acting career?

His original sound. It seemed his label originally wanted to make him a male Whitney but then changed it to trying to make him a white Bobby Brown.

Portuguese are not generally considered "Latino."

Didn't he come out? I'm pretty sure he did.

He looks like a mixture of Jonathan Silverman and Ralph Macchio.

He also did a song with The Jets, who were those enormous Samoan siblings. There were about 1000 of them.

[quote] Shawn Mendes was lucky to get famous off of social media. He will die on social media. The pre-2000s teen pop acts had their run and faded into obscurity. Some even got jobs in other fields like education, science or law.

It's true and also ironic that musicians do not have to be particularly talented or even produce lots of hits to stay in the spotlight these days. Demi Lovato comes to mind.

Yeah, social media changed everything. Years ago, artists had to produce new music all the time to stay relevant, they couldn't take even a couple years off. Now social media keeps them in the public eye. Justin Bieber, for example, went five or six years between albums.

[quote] Justin Bieber, for example, went five or six years between albums.

And yet they all sounded like they were written, produced, and recorded in one weekend.

r51 everybody's music sounds like that now.

Bieber was a social media phenomenon himself and he was protected by the music industry even at his lowest. Despite having marginal talent, little class and being a huge drug addict. He has a devoted fandom of "Beliebers" and is a fashion icon to basic twinks. So jr makes the industry money. Once he hits 30 and the drugs completely ruin his looks. He'll be over.

[quote] Didn't he come out? I'm pretty sure he did.

You’re thinking of One Day At A Time heartthrob Glenn Scarpelli

[quote] He looks like... Ralph Macchio.

Glenn even made an appearance in The Karate Kid: Part III.

It’s not entirely true that artists who were big in the 80s had to put out constant records to stay relevant. Janet, for instance, had big gaps between her 80s-90s output and each album was bigger than the previous. MJ also had long stretches between albums. Prince put out an album a year because he was prolific. I think, for the most part, it just depended on how an artist craved the spotlight that determined the frequency of their output.

OK Glenn was not on the level of MJ's fame to do that. MJ was world famous since he was 11 years old. Thriller was the biggest event event in the 80s pop scene. Janet didn't have big gaps, most of her albums were 4 years apart and she still released a single or two to keep the audience interested. Whitney Houston, Justin Timberlake or George Michael are a better example of a big gap between releases. JT waited 7 years after FS/LS to release 20/20 Experience and he acted in a ton of movies and did SNL skits to keep his audience interested. Whitney also acted in films and was featured heavily in film soundtracks. But she did this between two studio albums, I'm Your Baby Tonight (1990) and My Love is Your Love (1998).

Artists today are just on social media between projects, they don't do jack shit. Back then there were one-off singles and other work that artists did between big releases. Madonna always had songs from movie soundtracks between studio albums.

Timberlake and Beyoncé still release singles and do other projects in between their albums but they are pre-2000 teen pop artists, so they had that work ethic instilled into them. Bieber, Demi, Shawn, Lil Nas X and Miley are just social media addicts who don't like to work.

Some of you are really ignorant. Artists in the streaming age know all about keeping a regular release pattern. Features/Collabs/remixes are even bigger than they've ever been in the streaming age.

r60 that's not really true.

Lil Nas X is a poor example. He had a massive hit out of the gate with "Old Town Road." That put a lot of pressure on his follow up singles. "Montero" has been a huge success and he has an album coming before the end of the year.

Miley had several recent collabortions. Ditto Demi Lovato.

Lil Nas X is the only one I feel has potential to be big and mainstream. He and Doja Cat are pretty much replacing Drake and Nicki. I think Bieber, Miley, Demi and Selena only have their fans at this point, all of them are aging out and their antics aren't as cute anymore.

In today's pop music world you age out by 30, if not a little earlier.

Ariana Grande must be almost 30 but she's still doing very well. If the music doesn't connect, the career declines. For all Miley's talk, she doesn't know who she is an artist. I'm not a Grande fan at all but her work is connecting with a huge number of people.

Do adults (over 30) still listen or make music? Why is it that only people under 30 are allowed to make music? Will we exclusively have teen novelists, fine-artists, scientists and politicians in the future?

R66 Musicians don't make as much money in the streaming era. Talented musicians who have more adult responsibilities don't have as much incentive while young adults who are more adept at social media focus most of their energy on branding and marketing. Production techniques are also more accessible meaning that there is less of a barrier for entry, especially for younger people.

Even in the 90s, there was a lot of care and attention paid to creating pop music that relied more on songcraft than production techniques and gimmicks.

I used to confuse him with Glenn Scarpelli

[QUOTE] pretty much replacing Drake and Nicki

Nicki? Minaj? omg she’s been gone for years, no one cares about her anymore. Cardi B stole her thunder and is a hell of a lot more fun.

[quote] I used to confuse him with Glenn Scarpelli

So did R46.

Good for him for knowing when his time was over, leaving the business and having a fulfilling life. So many of them just can't accept when their time is up and they can't move on, and they become sad embarrassments.

[quote] his label originally wanted to make him a male Whitney but then changed it to trying to make him a white Bobby Brown.

But even Whitney herself had to become a "Bobby Brown" (to the point of marrying Bobby Brown) in the early 90s. Her album "I'm Your Baby Tonight" had lots of new jack swing. For awhile in the early 90s, it seemed as though every artist had to imitate Bobby Brown or Babyface or incorporate elements of new jack swing, even if it wasn't a good fit for them. "She Ain't Worth It" wasn't a bad song (it went to #1 but is almost never heard anymore), but Glenn seemed so awkward and out of place being paired with Bobby Brown and trying to dance in the video.

Glenn looked sexiest in this video.

Do you think Glenn and Bobby Brown stay in touch?

[quote] Do you think Glenn and Bobby Brown stay in touch?

I'll bet they didn't even talk during the recording of the song and the video shoot.

Bobby and Face didn’t start the New Jack boom. That genre was created by Janet/Jam/Lewis with 1986’s groundbreaking Control. Bobby’s “My Prerogative” video was even a near carbon copy of Janet’s “Control” video, down to the live performance and the headset mic.

I have no memory of She Ain't Worth It so I had to look it up. The song and video are SO 1990. Music from that period sounds so dated now.

R77 Music from that period has held up far better than anything from the early to mid 2000s. Similarly, I don't see any pop music from today that will stand the test of time.

r78 music from that period was absolute shit and sounds very dated, with a few exceptions. Check out the Billboard Hot 100 songs of 1990. You never hear many of these anymore, for good reason.

R79 Several of the musicians who charted had decades long careers and even ones who didn't like Paula Abdul still have fans today. I thought 80s music was better overall, but R&B peaked creatively in the 90s, and there was still lots of variety.

r80 Paula Abdul was garbage. Rod Stewart had a decades-long career and his Adult Contemporary phase was putrid. Early 90s R&B has a very dated sound. It didn't hold up and you don't hear a lot of music from this period anymore.

Control was more Minneapolis sound. It was very much from the school of Prince. Don't get me wrong, Janet planted the seeds for the new jack swing movement but I think Keith Sweat was really the one to introduce the sound. New Edition, Bobby Brown and Paula Abdul became the faces of it when they all released their albums in 1988. Janet's Rhythm Nation was a definitive new jack swing album. Whitney hopped on board with I'm Your Baby, Tonight and even Michael Jackson with his Dangerous album in 1991.

New Jack Swing was so popular, and then it was over so fast when Hip Hip became the new thing.

80s hip hop was closely connected to freestyle, house and new jack swing. All were derivative of funk, disco and electro music. It was hardcore rap with socially conscious lyrics that really shifted the game in the early 90s.

The early 2000s had a lot of good music. But it was very producer driven. The younger pop stars of that time were very much vessels. R&B was still pretty good. Rock was also still pretty good in the alternative and punk scene. Rap was hit or miss, the materialism and misogyny didn't age well. The teen pop didn't age well and by 2002 that sound was dead but for some people associate the 2000s with it.

Some of you are forgetting grunge.

I would say grunge, alternative pop and hardcore hip-hop killed the new jack swing/freestyle/bubblegum dance sound of the late 80s. Just like urban/pop rap and post-punk/pop punk killed the teen pop explosion of the late 90s. The only difference is Britney, Christina, Timberlake and Beyoncé survived and had careers after. While Paula, Tiffany, Debbie and Glenn didn't.

I've listened to Glenn's songs and while they are cheesy. They are far more listenable than NKOTB and Paula who only have their hit singles that are enjoyable. Glenn did have an awesome set of pipes. It was a regression when he decided to do new jack swing because it didn't fit him. He was a more listenable and sexier Michael Bolton and younger too so the sappy love songs were less creepy. He and Rick Astley had talent but were stuck doing 5he type of music that made them the butt of jokes.

Another gem in the Glenn Medeiros vein from that era was "I Remember Holding You." It was the only hit by Boys Club. One of the members was Gene Wolfgramm from The Jets, who had left the group to form this duo.

I got him confused with Jon Secada.

Glenn is famous in the UK for 2 things.

The first is Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You, which spent a month at #1 during the summer. He spent his 18th birthday in the UK promoting it and when he appeared on Top Of The Pops the producers had Kim Wilde come out and give him a cake and a peck on the cheek.

The other thing he's famous for is an appearance on Juke Box Jury. It was a famous show in the 60s where celebrities would discuss new single releases and the BBC brought it back for a couple of years. A jury comprising of Neneh Cherry (What's she like anyway?) footballer Justin Fashanu, comedians Bob Mortimer and Vic Reeves and DJ Alan Freeman were asked for their opinions on whatever song was the follow up to She Ain't Worth It. The jury didn't hold back, they hated the song, and then they brought Glenn out as the "surprise guest". It was incredibly mean but he handled it as well as he could.

R91 LOL, back when people could playfully mock and criticize celebrities without being accused by Twitter stans of being "mean". Bieber would have had a fit. Glenn had class and handled it with maturity.

[quote] Neneh Cherry (What's she like anyway?

She knows the right place in a composition to put a jazz piano.

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